diff --git a/modules/cragr/web/browser.py b/modules/cragr/web/browser.py
index c214874ad304a303314036ee351128a3b15f68d9..cd50272640038e4d103d7cf776066e30f5db095b 100644
--- a/modules/cragr/web/browser.py
+++ b/modules/cragr/web/browser.py
@@ -111,7 +111,9 @@ class Cragr(LoginBrowser, StatesMixin):
 
     recipient_misc = URL(r'/stb/collecteNI\?fwkaid=([\d_]+)&fwkpid=([\d_]+)$', RecipientMiscPage)
     recipientlist = URL(r'/stb/collecteNI\?.*&act=Vilistedestinataires.*', RecipientListPage)
-    recipient_page = URL(r'/stb/collecteNI\?.*fwkaction=Ajouter.*', RecipientPage)
+    recipient_page = URL(r'/stb/collecteNI\?.*fwkaction=Ajouter.*',
+                         r'/stb/collecteNI.*&IDENT=LI_VIR_RIB1&VIR_VIR1_FR3_LE=0&T3SEF_MTT_EURO=&T3SEF_MTT_CENT=&VICrt_REFERENCE=$',
+                         RecipientPage)
 
     unavailable_page = URL(r'/stb/collecteNI\?fwkaid=([\d_]+)&fwkpid=([\d_]+)$', UnavailablePage)
 
@@ -658,7 +660,22 @@ def new_recipient(self, recipient, **params):
             raise AddRecipientError('SMS verification code is invalid')
 
         self.transfer_init_page.go(sag=self.sag)
+        assert self.transfer_init_page.is_here()
+
         self.location(self.page.url_list_recipients())
+        # there are 2 pages from where we can add a new recipient:
+        # - RecipientListPage, but the link is sometimes missing
+        # - TransferPage, start making a transfer with a new recipient but don't complete the transfer
+        #   but it seems dangerous since we have to set an amount, etc.
+        # so we implement it in 2 ways with a preference for RecipientListPage
+        if self.page.url_add_recipient():
+            self.logger.debug('good, we can add a recipient from the recipient list')
+        else:
+            # in this case, the link was missing
+            self.logger.warning('cannot add a recipient from the recipient list page, pretending to make a transfer in order to add it')
+            self.transfer_init_page.go(sag=self.sag)
+            assert self.transfer_init_page.is_here()
+
         self.location(self.page.url_add_recipient())
 
         if not ('sms_code' in params and self.page.can_send_code()):
@@ -676,6 +693,11 @@ def new_recipient(self, recipient, **params):
             self.page.submit_recipient(recipient.label, recipient.iban)
             self.page.confirm_recipient()
             self.page.check_recipient_error()
+            if self.transfer_page.is_here():
+                # in this case, we were pretending to make a transfer, just to add the recipient
+                # go back to transfer page to abort the transfer and see the new recipient
+                self.transfer_init_page.go(sag=self.sag)
+                assert self.transfer_init_page.is_here()
 
             res = self.page.find_recipient(recipient.iban)
             if res is None:
diff --git a/modules/cragr/web/pages.py b/modules/cragr/web/pages.py
index a3d199b8eec31222eeb72dc4d8c07ab4a3571920..aa3ca096628b15d8a89858782a2606337933c680 100644
--- a/modules/cragr/web/pages.py
+++ b/modules/cragr/web/pages.py
@@ -1193,13 +1193,32 @@ def submit_accounts(self, account_id, recipient_id, amount, currency):
     def url_list_recipients(self):
         return CleanText(u'(//a[contains(text(),"Liste des bénéficiaires")])[1]/@href')(self.doc)
 
+    def url_add_recipient(self):
+        link = Link('//a[text()="+ Saisir un autre compte bénéficiaire"]')(self.doc)
+        return link + '&IDENT=LI_VIR_RIB1&VIR_VIR1_FR3_LE=0&T3SEF_MTT_EURO=&T3SEF_MTT_CENT=&VICrt_REFERENCE='
+
 
 class RecipientListPage(MyLoggedPage, BasePage):
     def url_add_recipient(self):
         return CleanText(u'//a[contains(text(),"Ajouter un compte destinataire")]/@href')(self.doc)
 
 
-class TransferPage(CollectePageMixin, MyLoggedPage, BasePage):
+class RecipientAddingMixin(object):
+    def submit_recipient(self, label, iban):
+        try:
+            form = self.get_form(name='frm_fwk')
+        except FormNotFound:
+            raise AddRecipientError('An error occurred before sending recipient')
+
+        form['NOM_BENEF'] = label
+        for i in range(9):
+            form['CIBAN%d' % (i + 1)] = iban[i * 4:(i + 1) * 4]
+        form['fwkaction'] = 'VerifCodeIBAN'
+        form['fwkcodeaction'] = 'Executer'
+        form.submit()
+
+
+class TransferPage(RecipientAddingMixin, CollectePageMixin, MyLoggedPage, BasePage):
     IS_HERE_TEXT = 'Virement'
 
     ### for transfers
@@ -1283,8 +1302,26 @@ def on_load(self):
         if err:
             raise TransferBankError(message=err)
 
+    ### add a recipient by faking a transfer
+    def confirm_recipient(self):
+        # pretend to make a transfer
+        form = self.get_form(name='frm_fwk')
+        form['AJOUT_BENEF_CHECK'] = 'on'
+        form['fwkcodeaction'] = 'Executer'
+        form['fwkaction'] = 'Suite'
+        form['T3SEF_MTT_EURO'] = '1'
+        form['DEVISE'] = 'EUR'
+        form.submit()
+
+    def check_recipient_error(self):
+        # this is a copy-paste from RecipientMiscPage, i can't test if it works on this page...
+
+        msg = CleanText('//tr[@bgcolor="#C74545"]', default='')(self.doc) # there is no id, class or anything...
+        if msg:
+            raise AddRecipientError(message=msg)
+
 
-class RecipientMiscPage(CollectePageMixin, MyLoggedPage, BasePage):
+class RecipientMiscPage(RecipientAddingMixin, CollectePageMixin, MyLoggedPage, BasePage):
     IS_HERE_TEXT = 'Liste des comptes bénéficiaires'
 
     ### for adding recipients
@@ -1299,19 +1336,6 @@ def send_sms(self):
     def get_sms_error(self):
         return CleanText('//div[@class="blc-choix-wrap-erreur"]')(self.doc)
 
-    def submit_recipient(self, label, iban):
-        try:
-            form = self.get_form(name='frm_fwk')
-        except FormNotFound:
-            raise AddRecipientError('An error occurred before sending recipient')
-
-        form['NOM_BENEF'] = label
-        for i in range(9):
-            form['CIBAN%d' % (i + 1)] = iban[i * 4:(i + 1) * 4]
-        form['fwkaction'] = 'VerifCodeIBAN'
-        form['fwkcodeaction'] = 'Executer'
-        form.submit()
-
     def confirm_recipient(self):
         try:
             form = self.get_form(name='frm_fwk')